Thread:3cooldog92/@comment-26014718-20131111231404/@comment-3247345-20131112203339

DoubleCross♥ wrote: @Ariana Grande Forever I do apreciate your comment, because it's always good to get a second opinion in a situation like this. Anways, I did warn her to stop arguing with cooldog or she would be banned for a long period of time, this warning was for that comment cooldog wrote below. Also, this whole sockpuppeting has nothing to do with this wiki, yet it keeps getting brought up over and over again. Cooldog has experienced it on the S&C wiki, and is bringing it over to this wiki. Can you imagine how frustrating that is?

''How about you both see it from my point of view. '' Your "point of view" is part of the problem here. You're completely ignoring everything she said just because she's not too biased or scared to see this situation for what it is. You're treating her trying to help out with disdain because she sees that Mamuel is part of the problem here and not just some innocent victim. You constantly looking for reasons to not do anything about her behavior is making matters worse, not better. How about listening to AGF instead of acting like she doesn't understand. You're just belittling what she has to say now. Plus you complain about being ignored but but you refuse to do anything about that. She blatantly ignored you to stop fighting by jumping into this thread hours later and you did nothing. It's little wonder you're being ignored.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: A user asked you about what had happened to cause the following forum I had created, you explained what had happened and for some reason brought up sock puppeting. Dechel was active at the time and stepped in, quote:

Dechel-Auslly-Flyna wrote: We don't want to mention names because it will start the whole thing up again. It's best not to mention it Which I had agreed to and asked for names not to be mentioned.

However, you ignored this and involved a users name which you knew Dechel would retailate to.

I then warned you to drop the subject, however once again you ignored me. Sound familiar? Stop acting like her motives for "stepping in" were altruistic. She didn't "step in". She jumped in to start that whole exchange. The only reason this sounds familiar is because you let her do this again and again and again without punishment then act like this repeating itself is so surprising. She should have just stayed out. But then again why would she when she knew you'd do nothing about her stirring the pot?

DoubleCross♥ wrote:

DoubleCross♥ wrote: Cooldog please don't bring this up again, no fingers need to be pointed. Especially since punishment is long over. It's been nearly 4 weeks since the issue, there is no reason for it to be repeated.

3cooldog92 wrote: ^You are Mamuel. I still don't get why you're trying to continue this charade after you've been blocked on 3 wikis (including this one) for sock puppeting with that account.   And while I'm going through the comments can I just point out that she wasn't banned for sockpuppeting because that was not an issue, her ignorance towards the rules was the problem.

Afterwards the two of you continued to argue over the subject of sockpuppeting until I stepped in. Actually she did sock puppet here. She used Mamuel to go around the block on Dechel. You admitted that and Eric said we have to treat accounts with the same IP address the same. Stop twisting the facts so Mamuel can get away with murder.

DoubleCross♥ wrote:

3cooldog92 wrote: Fine. That means she has to shut her trap though. Can you honestly tell me that was an appropriate response? That comment above is the reason for this warning. I warned both you to stop arguing on the forum, I don't see the point in me repeating that over and over again, especially if neither of you listen.

The point of "repeating yourself" is to not give off the impression that she can do no wrong. The reason this crap keeps coming up is because she thinks she can act up without consequence. Not exactly an unreasonable conclusion to draw given how this has been handled. I've been screaming this until I'm blue in the face but it's all about impressions you give off. If you give her the impression that she can do no wrong she'll act like she can do no wrong.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: Which leads us to where we are now.

The only way for this whole thing to stop is if you both just leave each other alone, you're both not just going to ignore each other when the both of you blantly continue complaining about each other.

No, the only way for this to stop is to make it crystal clear to her that her destructive behavior has consequences then following through. Why on earth would she listen to you when you refuse to carry out your threats? You told her you'd ban her if she started up again and she did by responding to this thread and you did nothing. All you do is make excuses for her then you wonder why she acts up. Face it, your policy of see no evil in regard to her is backfiring just as I told you it would. If you don't want to do what has been proven to work that's your choice but don't act like this is beyond your control when it's clearly not. Hopefully Eric's warning will have an effect but I doubt it will.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: If you want me to ban her, then I'll have to ban you too. It's only fair. I don't play favourites here. You've broken the rules so many times on this wiki for disrespectfulness towards other users, constant harrassment towards Dechel about sockpuppeting, ignorance of Admins warnings, and continuous arguments with other users. That's a hoot. Let's examine your record of "not playing favorites", shall we? First when she started up last month you let it continue for days after you claimed it was over. Chance after chance nothing could stop her. This continued long after it was clear nothing short of block would stop her. You only banned her when you ran out of excuses for her. Given how long it took to finally do what needed to be done it's clear you had a ton of excuses to let her continue to troll. Only reason anything happened is because she acted up to a point where even you couldn't protect her from consequences.

Now this drama. You act like she's just some innocent victim who just tried to put a stop to it. But anyone with half a brain knew that her going into that thread would cause problems. Yet you egged her on. What happened to reporting issues to admins? Guess that doesn't apply when Mamuel is involved. Then you give me this warning (and not her) based on one comment without looking at the context of the entire situation. Why is that? Maybe because you know looking at the entire context, before and after that comment, would make Mamuel look less than angelic, something you desperately want to avoid for some reason. Eric looked at the whole context and concluded as I did that a warning was necessary in her case. Hopefully it will deter her but your constant refusal to follow through on anything with regard to her (your refusal to address her butting into this thread is case and point) makes me doubt it will do anything. For the trillionth time, appeasing her only makes her behavior worse. The sooner you recognize this the better off we'll all be.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: While you keep on saying that she is breaking the rules, and expressing your comments on twitter towards Eric and I asking why we haven't banned her yet because she is only cause more drama etc.., how about you read your own comments and tell me this: is that really acceptable?

Funny, I thought off wiki stuff wasn't relevant here. That is after all why I'm not allowed to talk about her 10 trillion accounts right (forgetting for the moment that she did sock puppet here because that's another story)? But since we're talking about my tweets why not bring up the fact she trashes me or any admin that's willing to do something about her behavior? We all saw her crap on HOA. Why are my tweets being dragged up but her BS elsewhere isn't? I think we all know the answer.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: You're older than her, you should be setting an example, calling users out with spiteful comments is not the appropriate way to handle anything.You're having an argument with a user who is around 6 years younger than you, what does that tell you? So her being younger gives her license to do what she wants to me whenever she wants to? That's not equality, that's an excuse to let her get way with murder. The one setting a bad example is you, for constantly appeasing her when it does nothing but backfire on everyone involved.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: You make her out to be some kind of mastermind or something; when she's just a kid trying to have fun on the internet (not talking about this "sockpuppeting business") with her friends who have the same interests. I'm not making her out to be a mastermind, I'm making her out to be someone who responds to incentives. All the evidence available shows that she only pulls this crap when she thinks she can get away with it. You have done absolutely nothing to show that her constantly stirring stuff has any consequence. If you did this whole thing would have ended long ago. But what a rosy picture you paint of her malicious behavior.

DoubleCross♥ wrote: I see DoubleCross's point here. DAF really did nothing wrong. The matter of "sockpuppetry" was brought up again, and it isn't really tolerated on this wiki. I also see your point 3cooldog, but your effectiveness and attitude towards her was not appreciated. Sure, she came into the convo, but really, she didn't do anything wrong. She just informed the user that she didn't being it up again, and I agree, but 3cooldog, you shouldn't have mentioned it again. The matter has been resolved and we don't want to bring more conflict to this wiki. So continuing to provoke, bait, and harass isn't doing anything wrong? No wonder she acts the way she does. You people constantly tell her no matter what she does she's never in the wrong. APPEASEMENT DOES NOT WORK. It never has and never will. You people have no right to complain about drama when you won't do anything about her baiting.

Confession0791 wrote: What I see in this thread is you both egging each other on. Seems that you both couldn't wait to take swipes at each other, and it went from there.

DoubleCross told both of you to drop it. You both kept at each other there and here after being told to stop. I have repeatedly said to let the admins handle things.

Dechel-Auslly-Flyna needs to be warned also. Any further bickering between the two of you will result in a two week block.

Regarding the multiple account issue, unfortunately we will have to consider accounts from the same IP to be the same even if they are different people, since they most likely can access each other's account. Thanks for addressing the issue finally.