Thread:3cooldog92/@comment-26014718-20131111231404/@comment-26014718-20131113004325

3cooldog92 wrote: Your "point of view" is part of the problem here. You're completely ignoring everything she said just because she's not too biased or scared to see this situation for what it is. You're treating her trying to help out with disdain because she sees that Mamuel is part of the problem here and not just some innocent victim. You constantly looking for reasons to not do anything about her behavior is making matters worse, not better. How about listening to AGF instead of acting like she doesn't understand. You're just belittling what she has to say now. Plus you complain about being ignored but but you refuse to do anything about that. She blatantly ignored you to stop fighting by jumping into this thread hours later and you did nothing. It's little wonder you're being ignored.

I wasn't ignoring anything @AGF said. I also wasn't trying to belittle her, I was just stating what the warning was for and how this sock puppetry incident shouldn't have been mentioned again. I apologize to you @AGF if you thought I was trying to belittle you, because I honestly wasn't.

Dechel did not start the argument, she made a suggestment that names weren't mentioned to avoid any more conflict regarding the situation that happened 4 weeks ago. While I'm taking that incident into account for a longer block, my judgement is based on what happened within the last 24 hours, where a petty argument began about a subject that is completely irrevelant.

You may say my point of view is the problem but I was trying to see both sides, not just yours or just Dechels. You don't seem to understand how biased your opinion is, you've wanted her banned ever since the Auslly and Flyna comment on the Flyna page because of something that happened on another wiki. From knowing you for the last year I've learnt that when you have a disagreement with someone you hold a grudge for a long period of time, and you don't stop until you've "won".

Yes, I agree that she isn't "the innocent victim" here, but yet you can't deny that for the past 2 months you have continued to harrass her on the same issue or start arguments with her. You also can't deny that you're not the innocent victim either. You completely ignore your own wrong doings and act like you're not at all part of the problem, when in some cases like yesterday, you were the "root" of the problem because you ignored my suggestion about not mentioned names which started the whole incident. By that logic, you should have been banned straight away, not to mention your past offences which you think should always been taken into account. But once again, I've let you off with a warning twice now and yet you still complain that I'm picking favourites. I just can't win with you.

I did do something, I warned her on another forum where she made a complaint on another wiki because she knew it would provoke you to respond and worsen the situation. I also warned you both to cut it out on the forum, but you replied with an offensive comment which this warning was for in the first place.

3cooldog92 wrote: Stop acting like her motives for "stepping in" were altruistic. She didn't "step in". She jumped in to start that whole exchange. The only reason this sounds familiar is because you let her do this again and again and again without punishment then act like this repeating itself is so surprising. She should have just stayed out. But then again why would she when she knew you'd do nothing about her stirring the pot? She stepped in because she didn't want to be pointed out, which is 100% understandable. If anything you mentioned her name because you knew it would provoke her to respond in defense. It sounds familar because you were doing the exact same thing she did, which caused me to ban her Yet for some reason, once again, I let you get away with it by a simple warning which you ignored anyway.

She was banned for two weeks for continuing the issue as well as involving other users, she even said herself she didn't want to be banned. She knew she would be banned if she continued arguing with you. And yes I agree she should have listened to my warning to ignore you, but for some reason you both like provoking a rise out of each other.

3cooldog92 wrote: Actually she did sock puppet here. She used Mamuel to go around the block on Dechel. You admitted that and Eric said we have to treat accounts with the same IP address the same. Stop twisting the facts so Mamuel can get away with murder. Yes I'm aware of that considering I was the one who banned the account for 2 weeks as well as IP blocked their address. But it happened afterwards, I'm talking about what caused her to get banned.

You're honestly comparing this to murder? Murder is a serious offence that costs lives and puts families and friends into despair. Your comparisons are sick and you honestly need to grow up if you think it's acceptable to go around throwing that word around. It's truly disgusting.

3cooldog92 wrote: The point of "repeating yourself" is to not give off the impression that she can do no wrong. The reason this crap keeps coming up is because she thinks she can act up without consequence. Not exactly an unreasonable conclusion to draw given how this has been handled. I've been screaming this until I'm blue in the face but it's all about impressions you give off. If you give her the impression that she can do no wrong she'll act like she can do no wrong. The reason this keeps happening is because you both think you can get away with your behaviour and disrespectful towards each other. The fact that you've been let off so many times gives you the impression that this behvaiour you keep displaying will go unnoticed. The funny thing is that when you're being called out for it you hate it and start pointing fingers at others involved, completely ignoring your offences. This whole response to your offensive comment pretty much says it all.

3cooldog92 wrote: No, the only way for this to stop is to make it crystal clear to her that her destructive behavior has consequences then following through. Why on earth would she listen to you when you refuse to carry out your threats? You told her you'd ban her if she started up again and she did by responding to this thread and you did nothing. All you do is make excuses for her then you wonder why she acts up. Face it, your policy of see no evil in regard to her is backfiring just as I told you it would. If you don't want to do what has been proven to work that's your choice but don't act like this is beyond your control when it's clearly not. Hopefully Eric's warning will have an effect but I doubt it will. You're completely dismissing the fact that both of you are equally at  wrong, you can't seriously just expect her to be the one to be punished and called out. For goodness sake, you're a grown man. You need to learn to open up to your own mistakes and that it is actually possible for you to be at wrong. If you can't ignore each other or at least try to get along there is no hope for any of this to be solved and not brought up again. Honestly you're both just to stubborn to own up to your faults, and it's ridiculous.

3cooldog92 wrote: That's a hoot. Let's examine your record of "not playing favorites", shall we? First when she started up last month you let it continue for days after you claimed it was over. Chance after chance nothing could stop her. This continued long after it was clear nothing short of block would stop her. You only banned her when you ran out of excuses for her. Given how long it took to finally do what needed to be done it's clear you had a ton of excuses to let her continue to troll. Only reason anything happened is because she acted up to a point where even you couldn't protect her from consequences.

Now this drama. You act like she's just some innocent victim who just tried to put a stop to it. But anyone with half a brain knew that her going into that thread would cause problems. Yet you egged her on. What happened to reporting issues to admins? Guess that doesn't apply when Mamuel is involved. Then you give me this warning (and not her) based on one comment without looking at the context of the entire situation. Why is that? Maybe because you know looking at the entire context, before and after that comment, would make Mamuel look less than angelic, something you desperately want to avoid for some reason. Eric looked at the whole context and concluded as I did that a warning was necessary in her case. Hopefully it will deter her but your constant refusal to follow through on anything with regard to her (your refusal to address her butting into this thread is case and point) makes me doubt it will do anything. For the trillionth time, appeasing her only makes her behavior worse. The sooner you recognize this the better off we'll all be. She was banned for dragging out the issue over and over again, I made no excuses for her, I was trying to be fair because I didn't want her to banned so harshly, especially after the admins and I agreed to let everyone off for a second warning.

From what I saw she was at first trying to defend herself but she let herself be egged on by you and continued to argue against you. Well actually, she reported you to me because you were breaking the polices by dragging on an issue which was resolved weeks ago.

Once again you dismiss your rule breaking and point the fingers at Dechel like the entire thing is her fault.

3cooldog92 wrote: Funny, I thought off wiki stuff wasn't relevant here. That is after all why I'm not allowed to talk about her 10 trillion accounts right (forgetting for the moment that she did sock puppet here because that's another story)? But since we're talking about my tweets why not bring up the fact she trashes me or any admin that's willing to do something about her behavior? We all saw her crap on HOA. Why are my tweets being dragged up but her BS elsewhere isn't? I think we all know the answer.

I'm talking about the comments you left on the threads, actually in fact any comments you have made against her and the Flynatics - on the Folive page. I only mentioned twitter because I was talking about how you asked Eric and I to ban her and such. Though I may or may not approve of your twitter comments, it is compleley irrevelant to the wiki and no one has any control over what you can and cannot write so tweet away!

3cooldog92 wrote: So her being younger gives her license to do what she wants to me whenever she wants to? That's not equality, that's an excuse to let her get way with murder. The one setting a bad example is you, for constantly appeasing her when it does nothing but backfire on everyone involved. No, I was not refering to any sort of discrimination at all.

You being older than Dechel means you shouldn't even be arguing with her, especially over the internet. But then again, I've been told many times that age is just a number. All I'm saying is that you need to start acting like an adult by stop referencing to murder comments as well as telling her "to shut her trap". The example your setting is that it's okay to get disrespectful towards to the opposing.

You're seriously blaming this on me?

3cooldog92 wrote: I'm not making her out to be a mastermind, I'm making her out to be someone who responds to incentives. All the evidence available shows that she only pulls this crap when she thinks she can get away with it. You have done absolutely nothing to show that her constantly stirring stuff has any consequence. If you did this whole thing would have ended long ago. But what a rosy picture you paint of her malicious behavior.

You pretty much are, you act like she's evil and cold hearted when you refer to her as a "murderer".

I blocked her or ignorance of the rules, if that doesn't show consequence I don't know what does. It's not like I've completely taken her side and banned you for infinite, in fact you're escaped a block at least twice now.

3cooldog92 wrote: So continuing to provoke, bait, and harass isn't doing anything wrong? No wonder she acts the way she does. You people constantly tell her no matter what she does she's never in the wrong. APPEASEMENT DOES NOT WORK. It never has and never will. You people have no right to complain about drama when you won't do anything about her baiting. She didn't harrass you at all, harrassment was mainly done on your part as you continued to bring up the fact that she is "Mamuel". We haven't told she's done no wrong, @PD was just point out that the only thing Dechel did that was wrong was choose to continue arguing against you. You yourself said we have given her plenty of useless warnings, which is the complete opposite of praising her.

3cooldog92 wrote: Thanks for addressing the issue finally.

Don't forget that this warning was aimed at both of you.